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you could use my car, if i had enough money, and was a little bit closer, sounds like a really good idea, hope it all goes well and cant wait to hear the results [smile]
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If i was closer i have a t2 turbo and manifold and most of the parts for the conversion jus not the time

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well, being younge and skint, and arrogent, and having an old man how is having botht the turbos replaced on his skyline meaning ive got two sitting on the coffe table,

im going to fit one to the si,
will either use an esrt manfolt and redrill the flange/make new one,

or use a 200sx manifold, idealy, i dont want to remove the head,

and for proper finger in the air tuning, i was sort of planing on just fitting a 2.0 ecu, injectors and maf and sort of just uping the boost (up until 5 ish psi, is not a very big turbo, not compaired to the size of a t3) till it runs around right, got a 2wd cossie cooler and a lancer evo down pipe and elbow.

im gunna mot the car first, and make it all road worthy, then get all the bits a i need and do it at once,

has any one tried this, or does any one no how a 2.0 fueling map is compaired to say a standard rs turbo,

im used to mfi and cvh tuning, so new venture for me.

also, ill need some way of retarding the igntion as the boost curve starts, not sure how to do this with out after market managment as yet, a switch the frst managemtn would make it all alot eayer.

not sure onm the inplications of this as of yet, does the frst inlet fir the zetec engine?

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saqmaster,

im really interested in doing this to my car, i have practicaly zero funds, but alot of the parts to do a conversion of sorts to hand, like ive said, i have a randon jap turbo, can get a manifold, have down pipe,

i need to no your thoughts on wether just using a 2.0 management system will work up to a very small boost, obviously this would remove the need for chipping,

apart from the igntion curve, but you can get piggy back systems for this,

look forward to discusing this further,

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No.. you can't run a turbo on a standard non-turbo ecu.. I was going to be doing some interesting development on how to hack the standard ECU to achieve the objective of this experiment :)

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i saw a piggy back box that goes into to your coilpack made my turbo systems or some thing like tht that retards your ignition, i take it this would be neccesary

or can the stadard ford pish be live mapped?

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It would be mapped, but as the ECU is not boost-aware, I have another trick up my sleeve to get it to retard on boost :)

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I would confidently say the magazine is incorrect about that chip.. there is no miracle cure as the code in the ECU doesn't know about positive pressure.. I was going to use a few hacks to support a few pounds of boost, but that's it..

Supercharging.. i'm not a fan of.. inefficient.. sure, you can use megasquirt to do whatever you want, but that's not what this thread is about.. and there is no head drilling in what i'm suggesting here..

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still need a oil feed for a super charger,most any way


turbo is easyer imo, just manifold is hard part

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You can't turbocharge a car without engine mods. You HAVE to reduce the compression ratio otherwise you will literally blow your engine to bits and you will be picking bits of piston, block and rods from everywhere they fly or you will melt pistons. You also have to make a manifold strong enough for the turbo to hang from and not rip the manifold to pieces from the engine vibrations and turbo heat. I like your idea but you have to get over these basic problems first.
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a book eh[wink] sounds intersting
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Yeah god-knows when it'll ever be finished... I am tempted to scrap the idea at the moment and write 'Mastering Megasquirt' instead ;)

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I think you're missing the point of it though, Mike..

The point is to see what is possible with the standard kit.. A LOT of people get stuck with the 1.6, don't want to upgrade to a bigger engine, and want more bang for their buck on the smaller engine.. Now rather than them piss away money on stuff like £150 air filters to win them nothing, a few pounds of boost will be enough to win them more power from the 1.6 than they could get by any other means.

Fortunately I am very familiar with the zetec engine (in anything up to 500bhp turbocharged forms), so I have a pretty good idea of what's possible and what is not. For what should end up a sub-£1000 conversion, I think it will appeal to a lot of people. Of course, it's not 'proper' by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. 90% of tuners out there do things 'wrong', but they still get some form of results. Don't forget, Van Aaken did a very similar conversion which produced fairly good results! I am lucky in that I am very familiar with the management on these cars and know various tricks and methods to get to where I want to be! My normal turbo engines run CR's anything as low as 7:1! so i'm well aware of what's what in the world of properness.

But do me a favour Mike, don't post on my thread with "blah blah it won't work blah blah you need to do this blah blah you can contact me if you want to know how to do it properly blah blah" until you've at least done the development work yourself to know what is and what isn't possible... Thanks :)

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I wouldn't mind if it was completely mindless trial'and'error.. but it's really not :)

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Ive heard the zetecs put up with a bit of boost no problm, its the 2.0 ones that are supposed to have the weakest pistons for turbocharging, the 1.8 ones better because the pistons are cast slightly thicker, but i do really want to see what the 1.6 can put up with, liek i said i have most of the bits for the conversion, just have to sort out the management side of things cos tbh im not to sure about still using MAF id rather have it on MAP

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