The vts definitely but vtr's are alot over rated, a zetec s is better imo.

vts is group 17 insurance lol
id love a zetec s but imo there underpowered 112bhp and unless you shell money into iTB's and the like your not gonna get reasonable power were as a vtr im sure you could get it up to 115/120 with kam racing and 421 and vts induction scoop

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just bear in mind the 102bhp figure is not accurate one was RR'd in FF at 117bhp! but that was a 03 reg

Vtr's are nice done up non chavvy

i was looking at something like this. http://pistonheads.com/sales/2306283.htm

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not bad

personally i would get a standard one and go from there, but get the best you can afford

That whats im hoping to do

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before you change your mind again

i know lol im terrible for it, yaris would take me a while to save up, zs tdci would have to be financed, Zs im just not loving that idea and the vtr's you can pick up a beauty for the £1500 mark.l

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Interesting comparision as I looked at insurance when buying my Saxo VTS and the ZS and VTS where around the same to insure, to which the VTS blew the ZS out of the water.

With that if you can getting cheap quotes on a Saxo VTR then go for it, as most will agree the Saxo isn't the problem but usually the owners, my Saxo was a good example one done right.

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i know if i can get a unmolested one then that would be great but would settle for a subtly modded looked after one, you can tell if they've been looked after, if a cars dirty in the picture i wont touch it lol

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