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wakeboardtom

Post subject: FUMING!!!!!!! ARGHH - UPDATE LETTER OF COMPLAINT!!

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:17 pm

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I cant beleive what has just happened - had my car taken off me - section 59.

Driving down into town and i drive in past mcdonalds were there are about 13 cars parked go round the corner and a police officer waves me down.

"Did you know that this is a pedestreanised zone? Blah Blah!" So anyway he tells me that [ERRR] not suppose to drive down this area - which i was unaware of because people do it all the time - countless number of cars passed us whilst he had pulled me. So anyway because i got a section 59 last year - 1 in Jan and 1 in April and had my car taken off me, but now i have a new car. I was under the impression that section 59s are placed on the vehicle.

How can he take my car off me for driving into town which i thought i was allowed to? Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£105 to get my car back to. Discriminaton because im in a modified car....

I am so fuming. Dont know what to do?

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onslack

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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:23 pm

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i dont know what to say really, seems a bit harsh if you ask me

but as i dont have a clue what section 59 is i can't camment any more :red:

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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:49 pm

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holy crap man, thats outrageous. the police are like that around my area too, one lad(a complete ballsack) had 7 cars taken in three weeks, his own fault if you ask me but still gutting

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:49 am

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:19 am

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Well your gonna pay the fee to get it back no matter what

Then complain to f*ck about it.

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:30 am

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kick up a fuss and ask to speak to the seargeant, thats what i have done in the past, they shouldn't of given you a 59 for driving in a pedestrian zone, cunny funts!!!

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:03 am

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im pissed but i'l tell you what tom: NORTH WALES POLICE SUCK C0CK!

ive got a section 59 and it was my fault, but they do.

if anybody resides in this area they will understand, richard brunsrom is a d1ck. he HATES motorists.

see: http://www.btinternet.com/~brentours/PC21.htm

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:35 am

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:38 pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:15 pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:43 pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:48 pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:06 pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:27 pm

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The warning is given to both the driver and the vehicle. This means that if either are subsequently stopped then a seizure may take place even if another driver is in the original vehicle, or the original driver is another vehicle

Something not a lot of folk know that, and a common misconception.
Bad luck dude, hope you get it all sorted. I would have thought maybe some friendly words of advice might have been of more use and would probably serve to increase the Police's reputation amongst modified car drivers.

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:28 pm

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secton 59's r aren't fair, u lost your motor for a real unfair reason as said i'd fight for it mate!

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:36 pm

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I think in some cases they are unfair, like Toms problem above. But before they came out, the circuit in Notts was mad.
Whilst I have a lot of tolerance for cruises and modified cars, when you had a line of cars blocking off the slip road to the Broadmarsh car park and all the side roads a-la Fast And The Furious, it was a bit rediculous.
Besides, they were racing, doing burnouts etc at 8 o'clock at night when there were still people with kids trying to cross the road.
In situations like that I think they can be a good tool to get the chavs off the streets, but just using them for minor offences is when it gets extreme.
Im assuming you've had one Phil? If so what was it for?

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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:09 pm

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Did this letter today, will be sent to the local Chief Supt!!
Think its pretty damn good!

Dear Madam,

Re: Warning Notice Section 58 Police Reform Act 2002

I was issued with a Notice at 20-48hrs on the 6th of Jan 2007 in the High Street, Rhyl by PC 1918 Evans.

According to his information my vehicle had already a notice recorded against it and my car was confiscated. I was told by the officer that the anti-social behaviour I had committed was driving in a careless and inconsiderate manner, Section 3 Road Traffic Act 1988. The behaviour amounted to me driving my vehicle in the pedestrian area of Rhyl High Street near McDonalds. At the time there were no barriers preventing access to the high street and there were already a number of vehicles in the area parked or being driven. There was no obvious danger to any pedestrians, and if just driving into the area amounts to such, then the police officer is also liable. Police officers are allowed to contravene traffic regulations in certain circumstances; he is never allowed to drive carelessly or inconsiderately. If I did it, then so did he. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Whilst I was there waiting for my vehicle to be recovered I saw a considerable number of other vehicles driving (Carelessly and inconsiderately?) through the pedestrianised area and this included more than a dozen taxis. The only other vehicle I recall being stopped was a car best described as being a ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“boy-racerÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ type coincidently my car is also of that appearance. Why do you think the officer did not feel it necessary to intervene to mitigate such obvious blatant and ongoing dangers to pedestrians?

I am concerned that I have not been dealt with fairly and as a consequence had my vehicle confiscated and incurred considerable expense in making an alternative travel arrangements and recovering the vehicle.

The Officer in my view deliberately targeted my vehicle because of its appearance and as such I believe a breach of my human rights has taken place. His action was discriminatory in that I was selected purely on age and appearance.

The freedom of information act allows me to obtain information about the number of people who were issued with such notices on the day in question at that location; also available to me are the CCTV images from the town centre which will show that ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“boy-racerÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ type cars were selected for enforcement action whilst others were ignored.

The reason why my vehicle was confiscated was that in April 2006 I was given another Section 59 notice at the same time as being given a speeding ticket. I feel this double jeopardy is also discriminatory and as far as I am aware motorists are not normally given a speeding ticket and a section 59 notice at the same time, if that is policy then I accept it however it would mean everybody being caught speeding on a second occasion having their vehicle confiscated. I do not believe that this is the case.

The notice handed to me and completed by the officer was not completed correctly and I was not told where my vehicle was being taken to and accordingly incurred additional expense in establishing what had happened.

I make a formal request under the freedom of information act for the following information:-

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¢ The number of people who were issued with a speeding ticket and a section 59 notice at the same time in relation to the total number of people issued with speeding tickets.

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¢ The number of Section 59 notices that were issued for driving in the pedestrian controlled area of Rhyl High Street on 6th Jan 2007.

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¢ A copy of the authority given to the officer while not on an emergency to enter a pedestrian controlled area and the grounds for doing so (if it is so inconsiderate or careless to drive in that area then how can the police officer is able to do so without his illuminated police signs being displayed.).

I have been given the notice for Section 3. I have been advised that my behaviour on the evening does not amount to such behaviour. In fact section 3 specifically outlines what amounts to such behaviour, wheel spinning skidding, handbrake turns. It does not include driving in a pedestrianised zone. I may not have committed an offence in relation to driving in a pedestrianized area, had all the signs been properly placed.

I do not accept that the grounds for the issue of this notice were appropriate in these circumstances. I believe the officer was aware that I had previously been given a Section 59 notice before he issued this one and that my vehicle would be confiscated if he issued it. I believe that officers are credited with points for the confiscation of vehicles and that influenced his decision making unfairly in these circumstances. I ask that I be compensated for the full cost of expenses incurred including the recovery of my vehicle and other additional expenses amounting to Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£110.

I further ask that this notice or record of anti-social driving be eliminated from your records.

Yours sincerely,

Tom Alexander

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onslack

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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:16 pm

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thats a long letter, but it seems fair enough 8-)

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Escort

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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:18 pm

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looks extremely professional and seems the right way to go about sorting the problem, hope all goes well.

'There was no obvious danger to any pedestrians, and if just driving into the area amounts to such, then the police officer is also liable.'

love this though!! :lol:

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