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karlthomas101

Post subject: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:48 pm

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what should i get its mt first car but i alredy have a little exterance i also want ot do lots of upgrades like brakes suspention ect but what should i gat to start? also what can u do more to a 1.4 or 1.6 eg later engine upgrade

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TANGO

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:22 pm

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search engine is your friend!!!!!

but, quick rundown

1.6 is easy for 2 ltre conversion
1.4 is easy for rs turbo conversion

depends which way you wish to take it yourself!

brakes upgrade cosworth 4x4 calipers are pretty much the cheapest and easiest!!!

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Dave G fsi

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:26 pm

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If your looking to upgrade later on when insurance allows, a 1.6 is a better option as the zetec can be modified lots more to get more power. Also, with a 1.6, the conversion to 2.0 ltr is much much easier coz its just a straight swap coz they are both basically the same engine, but one is larger capacity.

The 1.6 is insurance group 8 and the 1.4 is insurance group 7 so for the extra cost of 1 group in insurance, you can have a car with lots more potential in the future :thumbsup:

Oh, and welcome to the site by the way! :FSI:

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Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:27 pm

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In the wrong section mate.

But it all depends on insurance etc..as the 1.4 will obviously be cheaper, but of course not as fast as the 1.6 (75bhp/90bhp)

In terms of upgrades, again it depends what sort of thing you want to do, if you want a complete engine transplant then the 1.6 has an easy change to the 2.0 16v from a mondeo (135bhp-ish). But the 1.4 being a CVH engine, will be able able to house the RS Turbo engine, again producing about the same sort of power as the 2.0, but much easier to tune to a higher spec.

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karlthomas101

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:06 pm

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my m8 has a ford escort mk2 rs turbo that seems good but i dont rely know i would like to turbo at a later stage but how much would i be looking at for another engine both the rs turbo including all that i need eg gear box clutch what elce would i need
and when you say the the rs turbo is esier to tune in what way?
ps can u turbo the 1.4?
and can you turbo the 2.0 leter engine from the mondeo?
soz for spellin

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karlthomas101

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:14 pm

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looks like after hours of reserching i was looking at the rs turbo if you cannot turbo the 16v with out all that modding i saw is would i be better off getting the 1.4 as that has the same engine type? agin can you turbo the 1.4?
just a little more info i am on a tight buget so would the 2L engine be better even if u cannot turbo (or can u)
iv herd of twin webbers as well do they cost more

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Dave G fsi

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:32 pm

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For the 2.0 ltr conversion, most ppl buy a mondeo ( they go for bout Â£300 - Â£400) and then you have everything you need to do the conversion. Alternatively, you can buy a 2.0 ltr zetec engine for about Â£100 ish but then you will have to buy the other various bits and pieces to get it running in your si.

You can turbo a zetec but i'm not sure bout the details im afraid. Another way is the ZVH engine which is a CVH head with a zetec bottom end (usually bored out to 2.1 ltr). This gives you what is effectively a turbo'ed zetec.

Get a 1.4 if you want to put rs turbo engine in as it wud be a straight swap and you would also have cheaper insurance untill you did the swap.

Hope this helps :thumbsup:

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karlthomas101

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:44 pm

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yh a little ty and what does the ZVH and CVH mean

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Becks

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:36 am

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Just a little note, cossie calipers wont fit under certain types of wheels (such as mine!) without some serious faffing about, so depending on wheels the st ones fit too

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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:15 am

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Percy

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:38 pm

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CVH is what the 1.4 Si uses

ZVH is when somebody uses a CVH head on a zetec bottom end, Usually take an RS Turbo and add a zetec bottom end (put simply)

both the 1.4 and 1.6 zetecs are pretty gutless so the best upgrade is replacement.

The 1.6 is easy to swap for the 2.0
The 1.4 is easy to swap for the 1.6 RS turbo engine

But its not the end of the world you can but either engine in either car.

2.0: great power in its standard form and should be relaiable and economical. Cheap to insure.

1.6 RS Turbo: great power standard, easier to tune for less money or bigger power, won't be as reliable or economical. More expensive to insure.

On the flip side getting a decent engine for a 2.0 should be cheap and easy (for for an automatic if poss) where getting the parts together for an RS Turbo conversion can have a premium and be harder to find.

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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:41 pm

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well that hits the nail on the head

goos summary there percy :thumbsup:

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Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:52 pm

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its taken me the best part of 2 years to get all the bits together for the rs conversion, could be done quicker but ive waited untill the parts come up at decent prices!!!!

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karlthomas101

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:42 pm

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thanks for all your help im gonna get the 1..6 then go to a 2 leter cheers

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Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:25 pm

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i had a 1.4 and a 1.6. the insurance difference was Â£30 a year. go for the 1.6, better seats n'all.

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Percy

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:45 pm

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karlthomas101

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:56 pm

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i am goin for 1.6 now

carnt w8 but i need a seller with 50 miles of me!!!!

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Percy

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:09 am

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Shouldn't be too hard to find one, but good condition ones are getting harder to find, may be worth a bit more travel.

Good luck finding one.

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Jam

Post subject: Re: what to get si 1.4 or 1.6 ??

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:51 pm

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tuning a zetec for N/A (normal aspiration) is not a cheap option. past the usual exhaust/4 branch/decat/induction kit/chip this is where it gets expensive. cams. its upto you. new or reground. factor in new lifters and adjustable pulleys at this stage. then the next restriction is the inlet. throttle body injection is preferred as it means you can still run a cat converter for emissions purposes. as legally it will need to be there. sidedraught carbs are okay but there are different part numbers for webbers not sure about dellorto's, the ones for the zetec have a different amount of progression holes. i think std is 3 and the others have 5 or it may be 7 im not too sure i never went massively into carbs as i was intent on using throttle bodies. after that its headwork. pistons. steel rods...the list can be endless so its how much you wanna spend/ can spend/ your insurance company wil let you do.

as for turbo. to be honest this can be done more cheaply than the N/A but its down to what you want to be honest. there are people that have done budget builds for about a grand/1500 quid ish using a decomp plate and adapted bits. the turbo route is alot more popular as pound for pound you will get more power out of it.

hope that helps in your decision on what to do zetec wise.

Jam.

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