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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:39 pm 
lol chris

yea theyre valve springs, where as a zetec/Se engine you cant see the spring as they have hydraulic tappets over the springs

the pinto has solid tappets, and yea single cam, £115 for performance cam kit for it though ;)


will consider taking the wing off, may be able to repair it from behind, but out the bad rot and weld in a plate smooth over it...

issue is it wasnt planned to be off the road long, still has T&T till end of march see :P


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:59 pm 
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So how come it aint running? I mean with T&T one would presume its been used on the road quite a fair bit rather than sat redundant on a drive.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:02 pm 
guy reckons the gasket went pop back in November, been drive born since then


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:05 pm 
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How is the car in terms of rot? The body work and interior looks "worn" but i guess it was a daily all its life?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:12 pm 
its old lol, my recaros are beat up and alot younger than this :(


its solid as a wall underneath surprisingly, we were lucky there as it was a long way to go if it was a rotter

wing is beat up a bit, bit of rust around the rear arches but thats it


its only the drivers seat thats worn, only patchwork wool so its to be expected, would like some recaros for it


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:47 pm 
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Look Forward to seeing this thread develope

I mean, when was the last time you see one of these going down the street ?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:52 pm 
cheers, unfortunately i dont get that pleasure :P

see my old man plod around in his mk1 often, and going to classic car shows they are a few of them there :(


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:17 pm 
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Well it will be a treat for the rest of us :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:40 am 
lil update!

ordered a Payden Pinto upper gasket set, mainly wanting the head gasket but the rest purely a profit, will definitely be needing the cam cover gasket too as this one is caked...

bargain price of £8.97

also ordered a set of head bolts, as they are a servicable part and replacing them apon removing is a must!, they come to just under £15 for the set


glad the cam doesnt need to come out first like a zetec does, but the cams cant be removed untill the head is clear of the bulkhead as the cams on the pinto slide out the back of the head... silly design indeed

will take the head off as tomorrow's job :aviator:
clean the lot up in anticipation of the gasket andbolt set arriving around friday or saturday


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:19 am 
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Good stuff, i bet it will be great to see it up and running.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:39 pm 
well the parts arrived today pleasantly early, good old ebay

gasket set (turned out not to be Payden)
10x torq head stretch bolts

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once down the garage i slipped the timing belt off (with thanks to the hanyes manual as i didn't have a clue where the tensioner was)
its clear to see the tensioner but not how to slacken it, haynes revealed you undo the 2 bolts behind the belt and it swings

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10 bolts slackened later...

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hard to tell if the gasket failed looking at it, some parts i can see seepage where its not in others, eg the water ways have spils under the gasket where other water ways dont

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cleaned the head after that, wire brushing, moving the cam and valves, removed the spark plugs, wiping away debris and oil/water
the last owner (or before him) was a right cheap numpty, silicone sealer gasket was uses on the thermostat housing, no gasket present (white, can be seen in the upside down head pic above)

each 8 valves are in good condition, rockers seem fine, and so do the cam lobes
the 4th spark plug was a swine, embedded with determination! mallet better deep 21mm socket from a m ate were needed to get it out as it was rounding

also the inlet gasket was removed, was pretty caked on so took a bit of time and cleaning but its looking good now!

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used the air compressor to clear all the debris and water from the head, and later the pistons


next i removed the thermostat housing, was pretty grotty, these are aluminium and have a habit of eroding away and they develop holes, i wonder if any one makes alloy/stainless replacements for these?...

anyway stripped it down and cleaned all the silicone off, the thermostat was looking ok, not 100% if it works, used pboiling water to test it but nothing, maybe pintos operated above boiling point?

the O-ring was fucked, maybe he bodged it as the 'stat had failed?
(note the slice in the ring)

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cleared the water from the crowns as we dont want that...

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see here the bodged O-ring, 'stat has the new ring fitted from the gasket set and also the new housing gasket

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painted the housing as black corroded white is not a good look

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set come with new valve stem seals, old man reminds me he's got an old home made spring compressor somewhere, so i plan to do the seals and lap the valves back in, will have to pop to get some paste, think Halfords sell them?
and ill get some emery cloth too

so will have myself a reconditioned head


more to come tomorrow 8-)


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:46 pm 
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Get a new stat from halfrauds while your getting valve paste. Might as well for a couple of quid. At least you know it works then.

You need to get a kent cam in that along with a decent exhaust and some bike carbs ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:47 pm 
oh, the timing belt is quite recent by previous owner before anyone suggests

and i noticed that the oil filter was stupidly loose, tightened it by hand, will be serviced once running anyway



cheer dan ill see the price on them, trade card will probs make them stupidly cheap anyway :P

i want a cam, but after the head is back on it wont be done for a while as the head has to come back off to change the cam, or the engine removed, as the cam exits towards the cabin, and the bulk head is in the way


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:15 pm 
popped to halfords, got me some paste and stick, only had them as a pack so the stick we got has been retired :P

also some feeler gauges as we dont have any suitable ones i found that out when gapping my Si spark plugs, and i dont know if the tappets on the pinto require gapping or not! so got that anyway as they were cheap as with trade!
both come to £6, they were £4 each before trade :)

also since they didnt have a thermostart, so popped into my local motor factors who are nice genuine people, told her a 86 2.0 capri and she thought for a sec and told me the QH part number, cracking lady, shes been in the business for 45 years!
then had a chat about the capri and about her old Anglia's

anyway come to more than the standard price at halfords but saved me traveling to neaths store, besides im happy to give the lady my business over halfords!


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forgot to get some emery cloth though!

ill manage with brushes and coarse sand paper


shall spend an hour or so taking the valves out later


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:22 pm 
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good luck with the project mate

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:23 pm 
update on old mans mk1, these pics were taken before its had been rubbed down and given its final primer coat


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Coming along nicely there :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:06 am 
cheers dave!

time to take the valves out!

how i got on today


cam follower adjusters need to be slacked off to removed the followers
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this is done by using a 19mm on the bottom section, loosening it to the right as normal

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then after its slackened off, you use a 15mm to loosen the top section, opposite lock

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once that is done you need to pop this clip off

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like so
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and as long as the cam lobe is not resting on the follower (downwards facing) the follower can be removed easy

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inlets done

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all done

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then naturally the next step is to remove the valves
so spring compressor

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collets removed, spring and cup out, and valve dropped through

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due to the end the bloody compressor broke so had to weld it back up
classy welds

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hour later all the valves are out... none are bent, all are a bit grotty but only one stem seal was leaking slightly, others were oil free

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the collection, all marked

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next i removed the cam oil spray rail

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then drilled these out to 1.5mm
before left, 1.5mm right

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done

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back in place, decent pick of stripped down head, if only i had the dosh for a decent uprated cam

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new valve stem oil seals in place

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these needed alot of pressing, had to use a screw driver but in retrospect a small socket would have done better!

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all done for tonight, not sure much will be done tomorrow as me and the old man are going to a car show/jumble in shepton mallet tomorrow, and we found 2 brand new valves and are contemplating weather to buy the other 6
even thinks he has new followers too!

this head is getting the works!


hope you like :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:58 pm 
done some work on the head today, getting there now

only spent and hour and half as i got plans for valentines day :hsugh:


sprayed up a few things to spruce the bay up once back together!, nice satin black

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more on point, started polishing and cleaning the ports, combustion chambers and valves up

valve 1, exhaust

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valve 2, inlet

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cleaned up using emery cloth, then 320 wet and dry paper
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lapping in using coarse, then fine grinding paste
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i also spent a good effort cleaning the heads, ports and chambers using wire drill bits

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valve 3, exhaust

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other ports

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more will be done tomorrow!


comments and advice welcome


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:37 pm 
found my old mk4 fiesta radiator fan switch earlier, meh you think? but its inline on the hose pipe!

so i have everything i need to fit an electric fan to the radiator


will either use an old mk3 Si fan or my fathers minorly damaged slimline fan, will take a better look at them see which is best suited, will fit it before the head goes back on for ease of access :aviator:


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